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Postby [email protected] W » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:35 pm

I realise that there will be differences of opinion here, and that apart form the obvious answer of 'shoreham' there is no real definitive answer, but what are the key elements to getting it right? eg. size of coping, material/finish of coping, how much protrusion on top and at the face, etc.

tight square corners? open flowy shapes? hips (and what sort of shape and why?)

what are your favourite bowls and what have people tried that doesn't work so well?

I've got my own ideas, but keen to see how they match up to ther peoples.

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Andy » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:59 pm

Real coping, waterfall, tile or tile stamp, hips, tight vert shallow end, far enough away or fenced off so when the street guys lose their boards the don't end up rolling into the bowl, steps if possible.
And don't forget some shade to stop the sun blinding you when it drops low on the horizon.
Parking, toilet facilitys, good drainage and a fuck off gurt no bikes or blades sign :twisted:
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Nick F » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:09 pm

...all that plus tiles and big breasted women
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Andy » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:51 pm

I already said tile's :roll:
Tits are good tho :mrgreen:
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Nick F » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:13 pm

Andy wrote:I already said tile's :roll:
Tits are good tho :mrgreen:


OK, blue paint. Shoreham shape and depth wise is hard to beat. Romford is still a decent pool but doesnt have the whippy shallow end. Ramp City Art bowl has that. UK is getting well covered isnt it! Id love a roll in a kidney bowl with very little flat in it... bit like this; Im sure its tighter than it looks :wink:

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And this but this is a bit like Shoreham, but looks like a monster whippy end

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby JellyHead » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:37 pm

We can never agree on a perfect bowl. Too many variations.

Shoreham is far from perfect but has a lot of good elements put together well.

It is not a question of just putting transitions and shapes together, the real art is in designing and blending the hips in between them. Understanding the space and time needed to move from one plane* to another. When we have the skills to do this then we will start seeing a few more organic flowing shapes.

* this goes for the waterfall also.

Check out this thread showing one of Wally Hollyday's parks. Looks like something for everyone there.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Nick F » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:51 pm

Damn thats some kind of cloverleaf eh? Is his name really Wally Holliday Jelly?

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby JellyHead » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:14 pm

Nick :roll:
If you look at the plan you will see its not quite a clover shaped bowl.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby m5surfer » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:52 pm

So many possibilities to make a "perfect" bowl/pool t's all very subjective, what is good for 1 aint good for another. The shallow end from the old Colne pool, for me, coupled with something akin to Shoreham ( will make me mind up on there next week ) With the gleaming white perfect coping from Colne too. Tiles but no paint (slippery when wet LOL)
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby SNAKEBITE » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:53 am

Difficult for me to say as I am not at the level where I can make the best of any bowl however I like bowls like Crawley because they are big enough to allow me to get my shit togther before things start to happen.
Cuckfield is small but is good for learning the basics.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Nick F » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:08 am

JellyHead wrote:Nick :roll:
If you look at the plan you will see its not quite a clover shaped bowl.
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And if you look at the picture it resembles a cloverleaf to me :wink:

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Misleading and subjective stuff though I did check in the garden and found a cloverleaf of a similar shape :lol:
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby SNAKEBITE » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:56 pm

All my clover has four leaves.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Nick F » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:12 pm

Whether it is or not a clover bowl it looks hellish doesn't it
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby ST » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:21 pm

Praise the Lord...'The Bible Bowl'...utter perfection

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Andy » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:24 pm

Pah thats a Mickey Mouse bowl Si :lol:
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Andy » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:30 pm

Ok no really good reason for posting this just wondered if mickey has ever done crystal meth?

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Nick F » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:31 pm

Andy wrote:Image


That'll be Hosoi Mouse then?
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby JellyHead » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:27 pm

One of my favourites (never been there) is Ione in N. California.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Andy » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:49 pm

JellyHead wrote:One of my favourites (never been there) is Ione in N. California.
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Looks strangely familiar :?
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Nick F » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:11 pm

JellyHead wrote:One of my favourites (never been there) is Ione in N. California.
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Check out Dan's page http://www.northwestskater.com/ione.html for lots of US skate parks.


Yeah I can see the logic in liking that too, lovely looking bowl.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Alec » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:55 am

Yeah check out Ione's deathbox.

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Overseer » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:01 pm

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Nick F » Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:30 pm

Damn there's a lot of BMX bikes there!
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Alec » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:14 pm

Yeah and you can guarantee one would do a transfer over the spine as you're riding the bowl...
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Overseer » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:19 pm

nah its not too bad.. we get on with the local riders ok too


the worst thing is little kids doing the outer circuit of the park, but most of em have been shouted at enough now that they know not to
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Nick F » Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:41 pm

Overseer wrote:nah its not too bad.. we get on with the local riders ok too


the worst thing is little kids doing the outer circuit of the park, but most of em have been shouted at enough now that they know not to


Is this bowl part of the new Taunton park?
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Overseer » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:48 pm

Yup :)

2 roundwalls
2 square corners
1 waterfall, 1 big round hip, and 2 partly pointy ones.

LOTS of speed possible if thats your thing.


i love going round the roundwall so fast frontside that i cant straighten my legs until i've left the pocket.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby JellyHead » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:32 pm

[email protected] W wrote:.... what are the key elements to getting it right? eg. size of coping, material/finish of coping, how much protrusion on top and at the face, etc.

tight square corners? open flowy shapes? hips (and what sort of shape and why?)

what are your favourite bowls and what have people tried that doesn't work so well?

I've got my own ideas, but keen to see how they match up to ther peoples.

ta,

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Si, lots of good points on here but the most over looked ingredient to a decent bowl is vert. Some riders may be put off at the thought of it but it is a must for a serious bowl. To me, roundwall vert rides differently to straight wall vert.

I hear a foot and a half of vert is the ideal but then you are looking at a minimum depth of 9.5ft!
We have 6" on 8ft transitions but people say it feels bigger tho!

Big transitions will help for a smooth, safer ride.

And you have to have a Deathbox! :twisted:


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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby [email protected] W » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:46 am

[email protected] W wrote: size of coping, material/finish of coping, how much protrusion on top and at the face, etc.


what are the thoughts here? I realise a lot of (UK)parks have been built without enough coping protrusion, but how much do people like and need?

If using steel rather than pool coping I lean towards the bigger stuff (c.60mm dia, rather than plain 2" scaffold pipe), but I've heard other opinions...
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Nick F » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:24 pm

I like the look of this pool, no flat, must be a blast to carve around...

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby JellyHead » Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:54 pm

[email protected] W wrote:
[email protected] W wrote: size of coping, material/finish of coping, how much protrusion on top and at the face, etc.


what are the thoughts here? I realise a lot of (UK)parks have been built without enough coping protrusion, but how much do people like and need?

If using steel rather than pool coping I lean towards the bigger stuff (c.60mm dia, rather than plain 2" scaffold pipe), but I've heard other opinions...



If you mean "bigger stuff" then you are looking at 75mm diameter. We have this fitted in the Street ditch area at Shoreham and it is very nice to ride.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Brian S » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:05 pm

Nick F wrote:Damn thats some kind of cloverleaf eh? Is his name really Wally Holliday Jelly?

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Alec » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:57 pm

^^ Centerville, OH ^^
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby DKD » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:27 pm

this would do me

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no need to worry about the fucking weather, which would be my #2 priority (having it close enough to cycle\skate to would be #1 on the wish list)

Also able to skate whatever time of day you want as lighting isn't an issue, unless I could also afford to leave my job (unlikely if I'm building a bowl) it would need to be something I could skate whenever I wanted

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby StuPenfold » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:45 am

http://www.flickr.com/photos/slim_sim/4476535523/

This is what our local council have kindly given to the good people of Haverfordwest.

The small bowl is heaps of fun......haven't got into the big bowl properly yet

Which leads to my next question. How do you make links appear as the image. I tried to do it as described in FAQ's but it didn't seem to work

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby TonyB » Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:10 pm

The bowl in Ojai California is regarded by many as one of the best skatepark bowls around. Small town, fairly small skatepark but a SICK! Bowl, the transitions and hips are butter smooth and it's worth a trip if you are near by, but it gets hot very quickly in the summer, definitely one for a dawn raid.

I like the bowl at Pedlow Skatepark - it's a monster with a huge roll in to the shallow end and a waterfall to the deep. When you hit the back wall you are really flying.

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby marki3boy » Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:38 am

StuPenfold wrote:http://www.flickr.com/photos/slim_sim/4476535523/

This is what our local council have kindly given to the good people of Haverfordwest.

The small bowl is heaps of fun......haven't got into the big bowl properly yet

Which leads to my next question. How do you make links appear as the image. I tried to do it as described in FAQ's but it didn't seem to work

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Lone freestyler » Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:16 am

In this country, a roof is the number one priority :shock:
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby StuPenfold » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:00 am

marki3boy wrote:
StuPenfold wrote:http://www.flickr.com/photos/slim_sim/4476535523/

This is what our local council have kindly given to the good people of Haverfordwest.

The small bowl is heaps of fun......haven't got into the big bowl properly yet

Which leads to my next question. How do you make links appear as the image. I tried to do it as described in FAQ's but it didn't seem to work

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The council didn't "give" the skatepark to the people, the people raised £400,000 to build the park. Proper job too.


Good point.......they did give the use of Picton playing fields which is a pretty prime location. It's one of the few good things Pembrokeshire county council have ever done for its people. It normal actions are based entirely around pleasing tourists rather than tax payers. It is and I'm sure will continue to be the busiest free recreational facility in the county.

And it's bloody good fun..........it's been a long time since I've skated a ramp and am racking up the hours with a good group of people. The only injury so far is worn out thumbs from catching the board with two sharp grip tape
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby marki3boy » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:17 pm

We're pretty much going to try to copy what Haverfordwest Skatepark Association have done in Swansea.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby StuPenfold » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:24 pm

marki3boy wrote:We're pretty much going to try to copy what Haverfordwest Skatepark Association have done in Swansea.

Similar design? It's a nice park, the bowls seem fun and there is plenty of tecky stuff there too if that's what floats your boat.

Someone needs to build this place in Wales

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby Alec » Fri Jan 24, 2014 4:44 pm

what would make the perfect bowl?

One situated inside my workplace that I skate at lunchtime.

Although there is that big pipe here...
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby marki3boy » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:48 pm

StuPenfold wrote:
marki3boy wrote:We're pretty much going to try to copy what Haverfordwest Skatepark Association have done in Swansea.

Similar design? It's a nice park, the bowls seem fun and there is plenty of tecky stuff there too if that's what floats your boat.

Someone needs to build this place in Wales

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz0JmftBDk ... z0JmftBDkA



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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby StuPenfold » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:10 pm

[/quote]We're not going to copy the design, we're going to have to raise the money to build on a plot donated by the council.[/quote]

Another park of that standard in Wales would be amazing. The HSA who put the hard work in have really done a fantastic job getting this off the ground. Are you looking at a Mavericks park as well?
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby marki3boy » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:15 am

Yes, we want Maverick to build it.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby ST » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:56 pm

This park in Colarado USA - WTF!
Surely 2 of the best pools you'll ever see! in the SAME park, bloody septics! -they've got the lot :x :lol:

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby HarryR » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:24 pm

Judging by the cans in the bottom of that second pool it looks like the placement of that love seat might make it awkward to skate?
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby marki3boy » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:21 am

IMHO putting steps, love seats, lights and death boxes in skateparks is bullshit.

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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby StuPenfold » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:35 am

marki3boy wrote:Yes, we want Maverick to build it.

Don't compromise on the bowl shape would my advice. We have learned a bit in the past few weeks that the big bowl in Haverfordwest although great fun to skate, they have tried to do too much with and squeeze a full size mini ramp into the bowl which has killed a bit of its flow. It does give the park more in some respects but in my humble opinion a bowl should be a bowl. It's a lot like the sshoreham bowl in shape but doesn't quite flow the same. Our lines are getting better and better, but we haven't been able to get the lines I've been hoping for
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby StuPenfold » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:33 pm

StuPenfold wrote:
marki3boy wrote:Yes, we want Maverick to build it.

Don't compromise on the bowl shape would my advice. We have learned a bit in the past few weeks that the big bowl in Haverfordwest although great fun to skate, they have tried to do too much with and squeeze a full size mini ramp into the bowl which has killed a bit of its flow. It does give the park more in some respects but in my humble opinion a bowl should be a bowl. It's a lot like the sshoreham bowl in shape but doesn't quite flow the same. Our lines are getting better and better, but we haven't been able to get the lines I've been hoping for


I take this back.......we are starting to get it wired......it's taken me a while but findin some good lines now. Would love to see some better bowl riders in there.

Next question.....best bowl in the UK? I'm keen to get a few of us from Haverfordwest to go on tour. Where would you go? Been thinking maybe Aberdare and Hereford in trip or head over the bridge and check out Midsomer Norton and Taunton perhaps?

What would you do from Wales?
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby marki3boy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:54 am

Don't forget Porthcawl.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby marki3boy » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:06 am

StuPenfold wrote:
marki3boy wrote:Yes, we want Maverick to build it.

Don't compromise on the bowl shape would my advice. We have learned a bit in the past few weeks that the big bowl in Haverfordwest although great fun to skate, they have tried to do too much with and squeeze a full size mini ramp into the bowl which has killed a bit of its flow. It does give the park more in some respects but in my humble opinion a bowl should be a bowl. It's a lot like the sshoreham bowl in shape but doesn't quite flow the same. Our lines are getting better and better, but we haven't been able to get the lines I've been hoping for



StuPenfold wrote:
StuPenfold wrote:
marki3boy wrote:Yes, we want Maverick to build it.

Don't compromise on the bowl shape would my advice. We have learned a bit in the past few weeks that the big bowl in Haverfordwest although great fun to skate, they have tried to do too much with and squeeze a full size mini ramp into the bowl which has killed a bit of its flow. It does give the park more in some respects but in my humble opinion a bowl should be a bowl. It's a lot like the sshoreham bowl in shape but doesn't quite flow the same. Our lines are getting better and better, but we haven't been able to get the lines I've been hoping for


I take this back.......we are starting to get it wired......it's taken me a while but findin some good lines now. Would love to see some better bowl riders in there.

Next question.....best bowl in the UK? I'm keen to get a few of us from Haverfordwest to go on tour. Where would you go? Been thinking maybe Aberdare and Hereford in trip or head over the bridge and check out Midsomer Norton and Taunton perhaps?

What would you do from Wales?


Glad you corrected yourself on that, Maverick know what they're doing. Shallow ends can be a waste of space, but the way Maverick build perfect half pipes with carvable corners into the shallow end is very clever. I was just beginning to find some lines before I fucked my leg up last year. If you can't ride the whole thing, at least you can skate the shallow as a mini ramp.
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby StuPenfold » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:33 pm

marki3boy wrote:
StuPenfold wrote:
marki3boy wrote:Yes, we want Maverick to build it.

Don't compromise on the bowl shape would my advice. We have learned a bit in the past few weeks that the big bowl in Haverfordwest although great fun to skate, they have tried to do too much with and squeeze a full size mini ramp into the bowl which has killed a bit of its flow. It does give the park more in some respects but in my humble opinion a bowl should be a bowl. It's a lot like the sshoreham bowl in shape but doesn't quite flow the same. Our lines are getting better and better, but we haven't been able to get the lines I've been hoping for



StuPenfold wrote:
StuPenfold wrote:
marki3boy wrote:Yes, we want Maverick to build it.

Don't compromise on the bowl shape would my advice. We have learned a bit in the past few weeks that the big bowl in Haverfordwest although great fun to skate, they have tried to do too much with and squeeze a full size mini ramp into the bowl which has killed a bit of its flow. It does give the park more in some respects but in my humble opinion a bowl should be a bowl. It's a lot like the sshoreham bowl in shape but doesn't quite flow the same. Our lines are getting better and better, but we haven't been able to get the lines I've been hoping for


I take this back.......we are starting to get it wired......it's taken me a while but findin some good lines now. Would love to see some better bowl riders in there.

Next question.....best bowl in the UK? I'm keen to get a few of us from Haverfordwest to go on tour. Where would you go? Been thinking maybe Aberdare and Hereford in trip or head over the bridge and check out Midsomer Norton and Taunton perhaps?

What would you do from Wales?


Glad you corrected yourself on that, Maverick know what they're doing. Shallow ends can be a waste of space, but the way Maverick build perfect half pipes with carvable corners into the shallow end is very clever. I was just beginning to find some lines before I fucked my leg up last year. If you can't ride the whole thing, at least you can skate the shallow as a mini ramp.

Perhaps I was a bit quick to judge.

I spent a long time bored at home looking for similar shape bowl set ups. The closest I can find in the UK was Shoreham which has a lot less flat in the shallow with seemingly steeper walls and the lines seem to flow a bit better. Also the deepest part of the bowl because the shallow is narrower rather than a full size mini makes it skatable from side to side which the Haverfordwest one isn't really. On the New Transition game of skate thread the last post shows this as someone (can't remember who, sorry!) is doing their kick turns in the deep end. It's very tight skating the deep part of the bowl like this in Haverfordwest.

We are getting better at making it flow back to the shallow but it is very easy to loose a lot of your speed unless you are really hauling ass.

The more time I spend in there tho......the more I like it. It is a compromise but I guess not a bad one

I'm certainly grateful for what we have.......it's got me back on a board again which has honestly made my life a lot more fun
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Re: what would make the perfect bowl?

Postby flash » Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:09 am

Sure you've seen the video, the naked female skaters in that bowl,yep that one will do :P
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