Deck Wheelbase question...

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Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby JohnnyK » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:08 pm

So I have been skating on one of those popsicle boards for a few months, and all was good. Well a few days back I put together a new board with an old JimmyZ deck I had laying around (I posted a pic back a while ago). Anyhow, this Jimmy Z deck was just huge, but I LOVED IT!! I mainly skate pools, but this board just felt great and I found myself trying tricks I wouldnt normally try. Its big, a bit heavy... and I am 99% sure its a bit thicker than my other board. Anyhow, its big, I love it. I also have a caballero board I just put together TODAY and I feel less stable on it, which Sucks because I love the Cab Boards design. This JimmyZ board was supposed to be my trashy "keep in the wifes car" board.. but this size difference is screwing everything up. So I actually measured them all from truck to truck (see image below) to see the difference. The Popsicle board is 14 inches.. the Caballero board is 14.5 inches... and this JimmyZ board is 15.5!!

So anyhow, to get to the question...

What decks have longer wheelbases? Aside from Longboards that is.. as I said I generally skate in bowls so I think I basically want as big as you can get before it gets wacky. I also made an image showing what I am calling wheelbase (even though its really just a measurement from truck to Truck). Are any of you guys riding large boards like this?
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Alec » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:31 pm

Well you've discovered the secret, longer wheelbases are more stable.

Your measurements are good too.

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Boards with longer wheelbases? Depends if you want a popsicle or a board with a bit of shape?

Popsicles with >15" are hard to find…
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Flip I think do some over 15"
Creature maybe???

I find anything under 34" length tricky to ride and prefer a 16.5" + wheelbase.

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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Woody » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:51 pm

Alec wrote:Death - Dave Allen
Flip I think do some over 15"
Creature maybe???

Creature Logo Terrain Hunter
9.00 in deck width
33" Long
15.25" Wheelsbase

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10.00 in deck width
31.3" Long
15" Wheelsbase

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Size: 8.8"
15" Wheelsbase

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Concave: Medium
Construction: 7-ply
Noselength: 6.5 in
Size: 8.9in x 32.5in
Taillength: 6.669 in
Wheelbase: 15 in
Length: 32.5 in
Width: 8.9 in

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Lance Mountain Springer
P2 Construction
Size 8.97" x 32.48"
Nose 6.64"
Tail 6.58"
Wheelbase 15"

Mini Logo
Deck Shape 181
Deck Bottom SST
Deck Concave K15
Deck Wheelbase 15’’
Deck Length 33.5’’
Deck Width 8.5’’
Deck Nose 7.375’’
Deck Tail 7’’
Construction: Mini Logo™
Bottom: SST™
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7 ply Canadian Maple Construction
Size 32.75" X 8.5" Wide
15" Wheel Base
7" Nose
6.75" Tail


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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby HarryR » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:24 pm

My first Popsicle board was (is) 8.5" x 32.5 and the first thing I did was re-drill it (front and back) to push the trucks out to a 15.5" wheelbase. Since then I've had a couple of other decks of differing sizes/wheelbases and never really got on with them. I always come back to that first board. I just repaired some de-lams and re-gripped it to keep it in service. I just love that deck. It's the wheelbase that makes the difference but it's not overly large like some pool/old-school boards that have larger wheelbases. I think it it's a tad thinner too so it's not heavy like larger boards.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby GoR64 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:39 pm

Hmmm... I'm looking for something in the 8" range with a slightly longer wheelbase to compensate for the lovely turny Aces...

Would love to have a do-it-all setup I can stick with instead of constantly swapping things around.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby TonyB » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:03 pm

Bulldog Skates decks rarely go under 17" wb if you are in to old school Pig decks with a modern twist. There are quite a few pool decks with 15.5" wb that seems to be as long as a lot of the manufacturers want to go. I guess it depends on whether you want to stick to the standard Popsicle shape.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Mike9000 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:30 pm

I don't know what the wheelbase is on any of my boards, I think they must be short - 14" or so :oops:

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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Nomis » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:38 pm

Just measured my Black Label Natas. 14.5 inches if you do inner truck bolt to inner truck bolt - am presuming that's the drill.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Brian S » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:46 am

My SMA Bennet Harada officially is a 15" wheelbase, but it only measures that if you go from the centre of each of the end truck holes, just measured my new custom made Core deck & by the same measurement has just a smidgen over 16" wheelbase, as I just wanted it a little more than the SMA.



I did get a modern pool deck a while ago, but the wheelbase was quite small, even though the deck was as near as dammit the same size, it felt way shorter due to natural foot placement on the bolts area, couldn't get on with it at al, it had a massive nose length as a consequence odd shape.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby SNAKEBITE » Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:28 am

I need to get a longer wheelbase deck.

The Santa Cruz Keith Meek Veteran one I have is excellent but I just want something bigger.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby pete » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:29 am

GoR64 wrote:Hmmm... I'm looking for something in the 8" range with a slightly longer wheelbase to compensate for the lovely turny Aces...

Would love to have a do-it-all setup I can stick with instead of constantly swapping things around.


yeah, i keep looking for something about 8.25 with a 15" base, everything is 14.5 in the main....
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Woody » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:38 am

pete wrote:
GoR64 wrote:Hmmm... I'm looking for something in the 8" range with a slightly longer wheelbase to compensate for the lovely turny Aces...

Would love to have a do-it-all setup I can stick with instead of constantly swapping things around.


yeah, i keep looking for something about 8.25 with a 15" base, everything is 14.5 in the main....

What you found that's 14.5 ? Most are 14.00 or at a push 14.25
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Tommy S. » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:23 am

My Skaterbuilt Cult Parkrider has beautiful curves and a wheelbase of 16.25 with an overall length of 33.25 so it is still fairly nimble.

I think I shared this before, but here is some old pervert who talks you through wheelbases and all that jazz:

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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Brian S » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:47 pm

Nice to see that they are slumming it at The Cove in Santa Monica, that pool is bigger than it seems in that vid :lol:
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby pete » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:42 pm

Woody wrote:
pete wrote:
GoR64 wrote:Hmmm... I'm looking for something in the 8" range with a slightly longer wheelbase to compensate for the lovely turny Aces...

Would love to have a do-it-all setup I can stick with instead of constantly swapping things around.


yeah, i keep looking for something about 8.25 with a 15" base, everything is 14.5 in the main....

What you found that's 14.5 ? Most are 14.00 or at a push 14.25


your probably right, i was working from memory, which, well...doesnt work :roll:

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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Jimbo » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:03 pm

Woody wrote:
pete wrote:
GoR64 wrote:Hmmm... I'm looking for something in the 8" range with a slightly longer wheelbase to compensate for the lovely turny Aces...

Would love to have a do-it-all setup I can stick with instead of constantly swapping things around.


yeah, i keep looking for something about 8.25 with a 15" base, everything is 14.5 in the main....

What you found that's 14.5 ? Most are 14.00 or at a push 14.25



Woody, the Mini Logo deck I bought from your shop at the weekend and promptly made myself disabled with is 8.25 and 14.375 WB so only about 3mm short of 14.5.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Woody » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:16 pm

Jimbo wrote:
Woody wrote:
pete wrote:
GoR64 wrote:Hmmm... I'm looking for something in the 8" range with a slightly longer wheelbase to compensate for the lovely turny Aces...

Would love to have a do-it-all setup I can stick with instead of constantly swapping things around.


yeah, i keep looking for something about 8.25 with a 15" base, everything is 14.5 in the main....

What you found that's 14.5 ? Most are 14.00 or at a push 14.25



Woody, the Mini Logo deck I bought from your shop at the weekend and promptly made myself disabled with is 8.25 and 14.375 WB so only about 3mm short of 14.5.

R you see that not the norm' that's Mini Logo they do lots of different shapes and sizes not like the run of the mill company's, and sorry to hear your now a spaccer :-)
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby houston » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:25 pm

I guess many of us go through this? The first deck of my return was an 8.5" popsicle, the largest shop deck sold at the local mall. Discovered MAS, learned of the many options out there, bought the 10" Powell reissue. Definitely the wb increase (from 14.25" to 15.5") was the main difference.

But the 10" early-80's shape does feel a bit piggish, so went with a 9" 90's shape (Shipyard "El Capitan"). It has a dual 15.5 / 16" wb option, and of course went for the longer (which still leave more nose than I know what to do with, but certainly not a problem). Still getting used to it (a lot of concave), but feels lighter and more maneuverable, but still stable. The 90's shape (at least I think that's what they are) seems like a good way to go: around 33" long (+/- 1"), 9" wide (+/- 0.5"), and 16" wb (+/- 0.5").

+1 to Alec's suggestions. All good, although I'm partial to Deckcrafters (edit: confused with Skaterbuilt).
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby wayne-ur » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:27 pm

Nice use of a period to define an imperial decimal point tho 8)
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby dave allen » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:35 pm

Here's the exact dimensions of my Death Board, although the shape is a little off in the picture!

Wheelbase 15" (381mm)
Tail 6.5" (165mm)
Nose 7.125 (181mm)
Length 32.75" (831.85mm)

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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby houston » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:38 pm

Harry Ramsden wrote:My first Popsicle board was (is) 8.5" x 32.5 and the first thing I did was re-drill it (front and back) to push the trucks out to a 15.5" wheelbase.

Considered trying that as well, but the concerns are that (a) you run out of flat surface to mount the front truck to in a hurry, and (b) you lose the benefit of the concave acting as a wheel well.

But please don't mix your imperial with you meteric

Over here, we call it "English". I'm just glad we at least decided we didn't need our own "US" versions for length/distance, as we apparently do for volume (and weights?).
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby houston » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:42 pm

dave allen wrote:Here's the exact dimensions of my Death Board, although the shape is a little off in the picture!

DA, I kind of like that shape.

Still trying to figure out, what is the advantage of that much nose?

(Also, glad to hear you haven't melted into a small puddle down there!)
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Jimbo » Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:59 pm

Woody wrote:But please don't mix your imperial with you meteric :-)


Is that similar to metric? :P
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Woody » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:04 pm

Jimbo wrote:
Woody wrote:But please don't mix your imperial with you meteric :-)


Is that similar to metric? :P

It's the Imperial version mate, they use more letters to make it look bigger :-)
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby JohnnyK » Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:17 pm

Thanks everyone for the info, lots of good stuff. I have been poking around and found a few good sites that list the Wheelbase of boards. I know most of you guys are not in the US, but the best site so far I think is:

http://www.strange-house.net/

I can not vouch for the site other than the deck section pretty much lists wheelbase for all the boards.. its a good reference.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Alec » Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:43 am

I'll vouch for the site.

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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby sam » Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:51 pm

wheelbase for me makes all the difference .bought a new deck..exactly the same dimensions as my last but struggled with it..figured out it had half inch less wheelbase. redrilled it and it was great
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Hagwag » Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:31 pm

I'm on a 15" wheelbase at the moment and finding it hard to adjust. It's definitely more stable than what I'm used to but I find I have to concentrate on foot positioning for ollies whereas brfore it was jyst natural. Only half a inch more than my old deck but seems to have madr a difference

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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby warwick » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:31 pm

I think a shorter wheelbase is better for ollies. I ride 15" wheelbase boards but I don't do many ollies - i'm looking for stability on ramps. I tried my daughter's shorter board at the weekend and was surprised at how much easier it was to ollie.


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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Hagwag » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:27 pm

I learnt in the late 80s when your average wheelbase was 17-18" though so thought I'd be more comfortable.

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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby SNAKEBITE » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:06 am

Is it me, or do "mainstream" manufacturers only produce conventional wheelbased boards, whilst it is the more underground manufacturers that produce longer wheelbases?
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Woody » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:12 am

SNAKEBITE wrote:Is it me, or do "mainstream" manufacturers only produce conventional wheelbased boards, whilst it is the more underground manufacturers that produce longer wheelbases?

Its just you :) .. Don't get more "mainstream" than Element and they produce loads of different shapes,wheelbase,size,concave and quiet a few more do. The thing is not many get brought into the UK :(
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby SNAKEBITE » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:15 pm

Woody wrote:
SNAKEBITE wrote: The thing is not many get brought into the UK :(


That'll explain it then!

Shame really as there is obviously a market for it.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Brian S » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:23 pm

Woody wrote:
SNAKEBITE wrote: The thing is not many get brought into the UK :(


How about an enterprising skate shop imports stuff not available here, but is wanted, themselves then, then also cuts out the middle man mark up as well, brands, board types etc? :D
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Woody » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:21 pm

Brian S wrote:
Woody wrote:
SNAKEBITE wrote: The thing is not many get brought into the UK :(


How about an enterprising skate shop imports stuff not available here, but is wanted, themselves then, then also cuts out the middle man mark up as well, brands, board types etc? :D

Good luck in finding one that is willing to do that,
1 shop importing a limited number of boards, by the time VAT, Import Duty and Delivery cost are added even to a trade deck the RRP would be ridiculous ... take for example a Flip P2 RRP £60 .. would enough customers buy them at (and I am guessing ) between £10 and £20 more per deck, I think not.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Brian S » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:28 pm

Woody wrote:
Brian S wrote:
Woody wrote:
SNAKEBITE wrote: The thing is not many get brought into the UK :(


The number don't add up, you need to bring containers full in to make it work from a business point of view. That's why the distributions have the buying power


You can buy shared space in containers via brokers, you don't need to have a full one, only pay for the space needed for what you are actually shipping in. :)
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Woody » Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:52 pm

Brian S wrote:
Woody wrote:
Brian S wrote:
Woody wrote:
SNAKEBITE wrote: The thing is not many get brought into the UK :(


The number don't add up, you need to bring containers full in to make it work from a business point of view. That's why the distributions have the buying power


You can buy shared space in containers via brokers, you don't need to have a full one, only pay for the space needed for what you are actually shipping in. :)

Still got VAT, Import Duty to contend with there is no way it would work, if it would shops would be doing it
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Hagwag » Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:26 am

Rollermania in Bristol used to bring in Vans and Indys unofficially and sell them cheap. Whether they had all VAT and duty paid though???????

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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby houston » Wed Aug 07, 2013 7:11 pm

Brian S wrote:You can buy shared space in containers via brokers, you don't need to have a full one, only pay for the space needed for what you are actually shipping in. :)

Not really true, actually. There are a lot of fixed costs involved, and the freight cost itself isn't proportional. For example:

For me to ship a 40' FCL from China to the US is about $2500. Duties and fixed charges (about half a dozen various fees) will be maybe $700. I don't know how many decks fit into a 2400' cu box, but my "jellybeans in a fishbowl" guess is 5000. $3200/5000 is $0.64 per.

To book a single deck by LCL will be at least $300. Nobody would do that of course, but just to illustrate the need for "economy of scale". You may not need to hit a full container load, but you probably need to get well into 100's of decks before it starts to make any sense. Which of course means you're at distributor quantities.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby SNAKEBITE » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:12 pm

Woody wrote:
Brian S wrote:
Woody wrote:
Brian S wrote:
Woody wrote:
The number don't add up, you need to bring containers full in to make it work from a business point of view. That's why the distributions have the buying power


You can buy shared space in containers via brokers, you don't need to have a full one, only pay for the space needed for what you are actually shipping in. :)

Still got VAT, Import Duty to contend with there is no way it would work, if it would shops would be doing it


To be honest Woody, if you say it's impractical them I'm willing to take that as gospel. It is obvious you know your business.

Still a bloody shame though. :cry:
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Woody » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:21 pm

We tried it with OMA decks .. still got the odd one that we are now selling at a lose because people were put off at the price we need to sell at to make margins worth doing, won't be bit again
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby SNAKEBITE » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:17 pm

Fair play, at least you tried it.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby Goat » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:03 pm

Just working all this out ourselves. Being from the UK originally I want Half Dead to have a good solid brand presence there so am going through all this to figure out a way to get it done. I'm sure it's possible - just need to find that workaround.
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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

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Re: Deck Wheelbase question...

Postby shindigz » Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:29 pm

I've been looking for some longer wheelbase concave decks recently, and this thread has just given me loads of ammo to fire at google.

Thanks for the info guys!
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