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Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 5:33 am
by Mr J
I have learned new things since my return to the skateboard circa 2005, however the bane of my skating has been learning to ollie. Such a basic thing by modern skating standards and looks fantastic, but so difficult nay impossible to learn when well into middle age.

I am accepting that things get harder to learn once past a certain age. However surely it should be possible to learn to ollie, a youthful skater once told me he practised the ollie every day for half an hour until it clicked. I would just have to practise harder, longer and more scientifically I reasoned. We can still learn things when older. I studied "how to ollie" video after video on youtube. After years of practise still no ollie. That's not to say I didn't make progress, I had got to the point where I could try it rolling, lift the nose and pop the tail in a pathetic nose pointing upwards micro hop. It wouldn't get me up the curb though, so I wouldn't call it an ollie.

I watched a documentary on John Cardiel who in his prime could do monstrous ollies, but an unfortunate accident where he got sandwiched between a trailer and the towing vehicle left him with a spinal injury. He defied what the medical professional told him was possible, re-learned to walk and took up fixed wheel bicycling on which he showed fearless flair. His attempts on a skateboard looked heartbreakingly disabled though. He explained that the front foot could no longer lift up to pull the nose up into the ollie - the spinning pedals of his fixie overcame that disability. There was a man who clearly knew how to ollie, but his disability wouldn't allow it.

Some years later I saw video of former Flip pro Ali Boulala on a skateboard post vehicular accident. This accident of a different nature put him in a coma and caused the death of his pillion passenger. Unlike Cardiel he didn't looked disabled when walking, but his ability on a skateboard was very modest - from memory something like my abilities, that is not to say he couldn't skateboard, but a complete comedown from his former self. There was another man who clearly knew how to ollie, but his nervous system wouldn't let him. Then it sunk in, the neural pathways that allow the ollie just aren't there in my body - I missed the chance to develop them during my youth. They are never going to be there. This realisation was rather sobering, but hasn't stopped me from trying. It makes a great warmup and although if I have to be realistic that its not going to click I haven't completely given up the idea of improving my current attempts a little bit.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 2:22 pm
by Nut
WB

My first innings was the late 80s. I could ollie - maybe 1 in 3 would be passable, but I could never ollie straight. Luckily our crew were mad for transitions and banks and this was at a time when bonelessing(?) into things was still very common. As time went on, I found myself amongst skaters who had truly mastered the art - I was only ever a 'hobbyist' - so my shortcomings on the street became more than apparent. I've never done a handrail, never cleared more than 1 or 2 steps, but I was reasonably competent on banks and miniramps. So that was skating for me, sans ollie.

Nowadays I can do the movements, I can get a board into the air. Still not straight. I've taken advice of course. Foot placement, shoulder alignment, back foot height. Bang, it looks like a decent ollie. Boo, it's flared off to the side. There was a time when the state of my back would dictate when I could skate. One small jolt or mistimed turn would result in a tweak that might take many days to subside. All that energy being focussed into the smack of the tail coupled with an awkward kinda sideways jump is an open invitation for my lower back to start to pop out in all directions.

So I guess I did enough re-wiring all those years ago for it not to be a thing for me now. Taking active steps to ensure it doesn't grow back means I get more time for skating around in circles.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 3:50 pm
by HarryR
Mr J! How the hell are you? It's been a while ;-)

I share your pain when it comes to Ollies. Having grown up in the pre-ollie transition days of the late 70s, Ollies always seemed like the work of the devil.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:47 am
by Mr J
Thanks for the reply Nut. Sounds like you laid down some neural pathways for banks and transition which is seeing you through into middle age. I got some basic pathways in for those skills in the 70s - flatbanks and ramps hacked up from scrap plywood. I've given away tranny although can still fakie it with ease if I want to get some speed up going backwards into the flat (where I spend all my time nowadays). No bowl in my early days though and to this day I still can't carve one. I am however grateful for the basic balance pathways that I got laid down in my teens.

Interesting article here - https://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-neural-pathway.htm

it talks of two pathways feedback into the brain (sensory) and motor away from the brain into the muscles, plus a special version of the latter - reflex, which I am currently confused about. I would think an ollie is very much the away from the brain skill whereas say a manual would require a high degree of fine sensory feedback.

PS I know what you mean about dodgy backs and agree that those flat ground popping tricks are tough on the back, even done at a very modest level. My back is all good now - chiro and regular core strength exercises. I do the core strength exercises every week. Over 10 years ago, my back wasn't very robust. Once or twice a year I would feel something tweak, then pain which would gradually get worse over the next day to the point where I could hardly walk. Then typically after about a week would settle enough to get back on board - with some aches pains twinges in general everyday life.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:53 am
by Mr J
Hi Harry :)
yes its been a while since I was on the forum, but just started lurking here recently and decided it was time I showed up. Nice to see that you are still here and a number of other familiar names too. Well bowl and transition is your thing, so not having the ollie doesn't leave such a hole in your skillset as it does to me.

Despite not frequenting this forum I have been skating heaps - in between the odd slam here and there which has had me benched. How about yourself, getting some time in the skateparks? Any good parks near you?

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 10:16 am
by vato kat
Mr J, good to see you.

The last time I spent any concentrated time trying to learn to ollie was about 6 years ago before a trip to Barcelona. I spent a whole bunch of evenings trying, not making it and then finally went 'sod it'. I'd still really like to be at least able to ollie up a kerb when I'm out and about, just to keep moving, but it still eludes me. One of the younger skaters I get out with assures me that it'll go if I dedicate the time to it - and I'm sure it would - but how much time do I have? I don't skate as much as I would like to anyway, and the choice with limited time between learning a new trick or skating tranny? Call me boring, but I'll opt for the latter.

I think biologically the scope for creating a new neural pathway is there, but my consciousness/'spirit'/laziness/love of the sound of griding coping is letting the side down. :?

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 11:27 am
by HarryR
Mr J wrote:Hi Harry :)
yes its been a while since I was on the forum, but just started lurking here recently and decided it was time I showed up. Nice to see that you are still here and a number of other familiar names too.

I've been lurking more than posting these days but I check-in pretty much every day. Forum activity has trailed off a lot these days mainly due to the Facebook effect, which I don't do.

Mr J wrote:Well bowl and transition is your thing, so not having the ollie doesn't leave such a hole in your skillset as it does to me.

If carving, kick turning and grinding can be considered a 'skillset' I'll have to settle for that as it's not likely to get any better. :lol:

Mr J wrote:Despite not frequenting this forum I have been skating heaps - in between the odd slam here and there which has had me benched. How about yourself, getting some time in the skateparks? Any good parks near you?

Good to hear you're still actively skating. My own efforts have dwindled to 'a few times a year' partly down to the fact that there are no good skateparks near to me. Near being within a 30 minute drive in my world.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:34 am
by Mr J
Hi vato rat, nice to see you are still here. Its definitely possible to learn fairly new things past 50, but there are some things which are either so technical or so alien a movement like the ollie that I would say if there wasn't some basic neural foundation laid down in younger years then learning it say past 40 is not going to happen. I think some of the crew who showed ollie progress here had learned it a little bit when younger. I've learned some reasonably new things past 50, but I think I was extending some of the pathways I had grown when younger rather than laying down new ones. Or maybe getting my brain to use what's already there - which would account for why everything I do has an old man style.

Grinding the coping is not in any way boring - its awesome. I haven't done it for about 12 years and even then it was just the brief scrape of aluminium hanger over stainless steel pipe. It makes complete sense for you to spend time where its going to reap the most benefits.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 10:54 am
by Mr J
Hi Harry, this forum was once the number one place for middle age skaters to interact online. My guess is that a number of things are happening - we always had a high turnover of new members and as you said new online arrivals are more inclined to participate in Facebook either amongst a bunch of friends or maybe the middle aged shred facebook group. Someone signed me up for the facebook group - maybe trevenen, but it hasn't grabbed my interest and I don't even lurk there.

I think whats also happened is that a lot of the older crew have actually given up on skating. There must also be some like me - not stopped , but drifted away from the forum and either lost interest in online activity or moved it to instagram (I've done a bit of both).

Bowl riding is a great skill 8) 30 miles sounds a reasonable definition of near to me when commuting to a skatepark. I've been going to the city park before work which is about 15 to 20 mins of skating over pavement and a tram ride. Although in recent weeks and for the next month the train from the park to my work has been replaced by a bus, so I've just been going to the park (just tarmac walking paths) across the road from where I live. Looks like it will be dry tomorrow morning, so I'll spend about 30min there. Its not a smooth skatepark, but really convenient, no ones going to kick me out and the only minor hassle I get is that some dogs seem to go absolutely nuts at the sight and sound of a human sliding across the ground on urethane wheels.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:01 pm
by undertime
I think the brain struggles to adapt to new behaviour, routines and (generally) ways of thinking as you get older/as established patterns and levels of understanding become increasingly ingrained. A rather tired example is how much harder it is to learn new languages once you reach a more 'mature' age (believe me, i know the pain of this one). But I don't think it's impossible.

If there's sustained practice of a new behaviour over time the brain may be able to challenge itself and do some of the 'rewiring' that is needed. I think what's more of a problem is the starting point.

If you're building on a platform that's never been stable - e.g. being able to ollie, but always landing to the side - or when trying to establish this platform for the first time (having never been able to ollie in the past) have already laid a foundation of 'this is going to be difficult' or 'this could hurt' then you're always going to struggle. I'm guessing the trick is to tear down whatever platform has already been built/started and start anew with the aforementioned sustained practice of 'doing it right'.

Basically trying to block off the pathways that lead to failure and start off in a new direction.

I'm not suggesting this is easy, far from it, just that it may be possible.

Anyway... the only reason I started this reply was to say 'welcome back' to Mr J, so just ignore the above if it doesn't make sense. And...

WELCOME BACK MR J!

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:43 pm
by Ben
Welcome back Mr J.

The only neural pathway I have left open is the carving one but I am sure if I concentrated to the exclusion of all all else I could get the my olly to exceed an inch above the pavement and not turn in ..... but life is too short. :wink:

Loved hearing from you again. Send Bells my fondest. Did you go to the contest this year ?

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 9:09 am
by Fen
Good to see you are still out skating Mr J.
I too was a pre-ollie skater. Took me a while to learn them and I still can't get them very high and I still struggle levelling the board out properly. Like many my age I tend to be happy just carving round a bowl and riding transition and not doing any tricks.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 10:08 am
by Mr J
belated HBD Undertime! I don't think we necessarily need to make sense on this forum, I gotta say it feels good to be back talking bollocks about skateboarding again :D Actually I did take in what you said and you do have a point that its not just the neural pathways and reflexes that allows us to skate its the brain learning the mechanics of it too. Human communication languages have never been my strong point, even way back in school - you must be doing alright to live in Norway. I have had to learn some new computer languages in recent years and it can still be done although competing with 20 and 30 something year old colleagues isn't easy. As you said learning at middle age can be overcome by putting in more effort and time.

But my theory is that even if the brain can say understand and potentially learn the motions of the ollie - the neural pathways in the body aren't there - the great Cardiel became damn good on a fix wheel bicycle post accident so was clearly learning motor skills and could no doubt still remember how to ollie, but his body would't let him do the latter.

On your point about trying to block off the pathways that lead to failure - well that starts to get into another interesting subject of sports psychology - I hadn't thought of that, but that plays a part too, particularly with skating - its so damn scary at times!

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 10:18 am
by Mr J
Cheers Ben! There is no more scope for rewiring left in me for surfing, although I am loving it, its just nice to get out there. I was at another stretch of coast many kilometres away when the monster swell hit the Bells contest on the friday. In the morning I got a really wild surf in by sitting on the edge of a rip next to a sheltered point in a cove. When the swell peaked in the arvo there was nowhere for me to go for a second surf - even the really sheltered spots out of control. The coastline approaching Bells would have had some spots in places that are normally flat/tiny, but I wasn't there. So in between working remote on my laptop I tuned in to the WSL webcast, impressive to watch the pros handle the conditions.

PS I was enjoying browsing your "great boarders" thread - a nice collection.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2019 10:21 am
by Mr J
Cheers Fen! nice to be conversing with you again. I reckon I've reached the stage in my skating life where I can justify being more conservative, not pushing myself to learn new things too hard and just be happy skating around enjoying what I can already do. I've become more conservative in my approach to it, partly to reduce the risk of injury, but there is no escaping the slams!

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 9:11 am
by misterbleepy
another pre-ollie skater here - I do sometimes think about learning, but I prefer whizzing round bowls and pools, which is what I learnt how to do when I returned at 50 - I never had the chance to try in my early skating years (76-81) as there were no near enough bowls/pools.
So I do think if I did put my mind to it, I might be able to learn them, but WOO LOOK COPING AND TILES WHEEEE!!!
Good to see you posting again Mr. J :D

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 11:13 am
by Mr J
nice to see you are still on the forum Mr Bleepy. I know you are still skating coz I've seen some of your ramp/bowl skating on instagram ..-
That's quite impressive if you didn't do bowl in your younger days and learned at 50 8)

I can totally understand that just carving and time on the lip is satisfying enough and a more rewarding pay off than trying to learn tricks coz thats where I am with surfing - I've missed the chance to learn to air a surfboard.

When I am on wheels, then it is the flat ground that I like and flat ground without tricks wouldn't be sufficiently satisfying to keep me motivated. Having said that I do go for an occasional roll around with nothing more than manuals - did that this evening in the park (ordinary walking park) across the road - there are some street lamps. I'm a big believer in keeping those synapses lighted up :D keeps the pathways wired up into old age ..-

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:36 am
by Scissorhands
Sit in a chair and practice ollie'ing the board only with your feet

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:46 pm
by TonyB
Nice to see you post Mr J. I can’t Ollie and I actually can’t be bothered to learn. Transition skating is fine for me.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:42 am
by Mr J
Scissorhands wrote:Sit in a chair and practice ollie'ing the board only with your feet


Sounds low risk :) I've tried the hang on to a waist high support and it has brought me very limited results. There is only so much that can be done with aging biomechanics and circuits and the younger version of me was not a very advanced model to start with.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:44 am
by Mr J
TonyB wrote:Nice to see you post Mr J. I can’t Ollie and I actually can’t be bothered to learn. Transition skating is fine for me.


Cheers Tony, good to see you are still here too. Yes I know you have always been into the bowl/transition - I remember you have some nice US trip report pictures - got to visit some awesome transition locations.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:17 pm
by wavesnwheels
This is an interesting thread Mr J. I don't know anything about neural pathways but at 49 am still trying to learn to ollie. I've been skating on and off for about four or five years now and am making slow progress. I can't yet ollie but occasionally get the pop and land, if I get more than a few millimeters of air I'd be surprised but it's going in the right direction.

The amount of time I spend skating in comparison to say when I used to BMX, from 10 years old to 16 is nothing. I'd probably spend about four hours a day on a school day and every waking moment of the weekend riding. Some tricks still took weeks of repetition and practice to learn and others came first try (usually when in a group with us all in full flow) I can still do quite a few of them now and I haven't owned a BMX for twenty odd years. Whether it's is to do with neural pathways, muscle memory or what I don't know. Or do we have to be in the flow state (the zone) for the new information to become embedded... I'm trying to word this so it doesn't sound like bollocks so please excuse me if it does.

I think a kid with time to burn that says it took them two months to ollie would equate to about four or so years of equivilent practice time for me, add to that sitting down in an office job for the last 12 years which has taken a massive toll on my bodily flexibility and strength it's starting to seem like an elusive goal, however I don't believe it is not possible to learn and I will keep trying.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:53 pm
by GoR64
I'm not sure I agree with the original premise of this post.

While I'm not qualified in neuroscience, I see no reason that new information should be impossible to learn.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:23 am
by Mr J
wavesnwheels wrote:... I can still do quite a few of them {tricks} now and I haven't owned a BMX for twenty odd years. Whether it's is to do with neural pathways, muscle memory or what I don't know. Or do we have to be in the flow state (the zone) for the new information to become embedded... I'm trying to word this so it doesn't sound like bollocks so please excuse me if it does.

... .

that's what we are here for - to talk bollocks about skateboarding (and swear as much as we want to if so inclined). You are reinforcing my idea that those formative youth years are crucial. I took up surfing in my teens and although I haven't consistently maintained it throughout my life my paddling fitness comes back fairly quickly coz I've been there before - muscle memory or whatever. Paddling a surfboard is fairly simple compared to the fine control of say an ollie, though. I know some naturally athletic chaps who took up surfing relatively late in life (20 something) and surf heaps. They all either struggle to control a shortboard (despite being very competent on longboards) or they exhibit a rather stiff old man style.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:35 am
by Mr J
GoR64 wrote:I'm not sure I agree with the original premise of this post.

While I'm not qualified in neuroscience, I see no reason that new information should be impossible to learn.


Nice to see some youthful optimism ..- If I remember correctly you are in still in your 30s now GoR64? How is your trick learning/progression going, in particular tricks that are very different from your base collection. I did learn some things in my 50s, my most satisfying and fun accomplishment was learning to new school nose manual age 50, cost me a bust collarbone but was worth it :lol: However, I put this learning down to laying down some neural pathways which have something in common with this trick - old school "hang 10" style nose wheelies in my teens and also one foot "hang 5" nose wheelies, but when it comes to ollies aaagh!

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:01 pm
by GoR64
Anything transition based is new to me, and I feel very much able to progress further, as far as my bollocks will allow :) As someone mentioned previously the learning time seems far longer compared to childhood, but I think we often forget how much time we actually spent learning things as kids... Skateboarding for example, I was out every day, minimum of 2 hours a day, for years. That translates to a lot of accrued practice, although it wasn't focused, which is something we tend to learn later on.

The one thing that mattered the most was learning to fall properly (something I'm still learning on big ramps) which has kept me relatively safe.. with some very painful lessons along the way.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:22 am
by Mr J
GoR64 wrote:Anything transition based is new to me, and I feel very much able to progress further... .


..-

I used to spend hours skateboarding in my youth too. Slaloming in an out of littered coke cans I lined up in a row on my street. Handstands, wheelies, walking the dog, endovers. Then in my early/mid twenties some phases of tranny and vert. It helps what I do nowadays, but fairly different.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:56 pm
by Scissorhands
the agility vs fragility index

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puro6U43Kg0

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:53 pm
by wavesnwheels
Scissorhands wrote:the agility vs fragility index

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puro6U43Kg0


Lol :D I'm not sure having a graph to demonstrate bullshit makes it any less bullshit. Funny though

Mr J wrote:
wavesnwheels wrote:... I can still do quite a few of them {tricks} now and I haven't owned a BMX for twenty odd years. Whether it's is to do with neural pathways, muscle memory or what I don't know. Or do we have to be in the flow state (the zone) for the new information to become embedded... I'm trying to word this so it doesn't sound like bollocks so please excuse me if it does.

... .

that's what we are here for - to talk bollocks about skateboarding (and swear as much as we want to if so inclined). You are reinforcing my idea that those formative youth years are crucial ....


I was suggesting that it was more to do with time served than the age of the participant. Strength fitness and agility are also big factors to rate of learning which sadly usually tail off with age.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:05 pm
by Scissorhands
wavesnwheels wrote:
Scissorhands wrote:the agility vs fragility index

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puro6U43Kg0


Lol :D I'm not sure having a graph to demonstrate bullshit makes it any less bullshit. Funny though



If you read the comments to that youtube, it shows many older skaters having a visceral reaction to the 'no fun' endgame that is put forth. Sadly, lack of progression is a fact as old age creeps in. The mind may be willing in many cases, but as you say above, the body is not.

Here is youtubes oldest skateboarding 'star' Neal Unger's latest vid, and it shows the signs of age talking its toll. He must be 65 now, or who knows really, maybe hes younger or older. He looks stiff and uncoordinated, indicating the mind and body are typically on a similar projection, and if you heal one you invariably heal the other.

They are not separate from each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRpwes8T6jA

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:29 am
by Mr J
wavesnwheels wrote:...
I was suggesting that it was more to do with time served than the age of the participant. Strength fitness and agility are also big factors to rate of learning which sadly usually tail off with age.


ah ok, I get what you meant. I was arguing that it was more to do with learning it when younger, whereas you believe it is more to do with hours spent regardless of age, however it is easier to put in all those hours when younger due to things such as life, work, stamina, fitness etc. being more favourable.

GoR64 was also saying that he put in massive hours when younger, but to build on something he mentioned - focus wasn't the best when younger. I would argue that massive hours will not get us to learn a kick flip (new school flip) over 50 and that massive hours are not needed for individual tricks and can actually be counter productive - end up practising mistakes i.e. building muscle memory for mistakes.

Take surfing for example, time spent actually practising is quite small - good ride say just 30 seconds once every 10 minutes on a good day. Yet youngsters learn to do 360 airs - something an over 50 is never going to learn and some over 50s are putting in large hours in the water. Of course massive hours is needed to be good at surfing overall - wave judgement fitness etc.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:34 am
by Mr J
wavesnwheels wrote:
Scissorhands wrote:the agility vs fragility index

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puro6U43Kg0


Lol :D I'm not sure having a graph to demonstrate bullshit makes it any less bullshit. Funny though

… .


The clarity with which we could graph our own fun/fragility and the accuracy of predicting the intersection would need to be divided by a substantial bollocks factor yes. However, I would argue that the graph is no more bollocks than some of the graphs that get presented in corporate boardrooms :lol:

It is a nice illustration of how fun declines and pain increases over time and when the latter overtakes the former then its time to think about giving up. However on an optimistic note I am not there yet - although I have had my moments of considering my options :lol:

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:36 am
by Mr J
Scissorhands wrote:...
Here is youtubes oldest skateboarding 'star' Neal Unger's latest vid, and it shows the signs of age talking its toll. He must be 65 now, or who knows really, maybe hes younger or older. …


When Neal Unger's vids first stirred the internet, I do remember finding out that he was younger than he looked.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:03 pm
by Corey
Hey Mr J! Nice to see you back on here! =)

I had too geek out a bit and see what the research says about motor skills and age. I found a nice little review on some general findings, but my brain is a bit too fried after exam season to really dig into it yet. But here it is, if anyone feels curious.

https://eurapa.biomedcentral.com/articl ... 008-0030-9

I think what the research probably doesn´t mention is the fact that with age we tend to have a more laidback aproach to the cost benefit of risky behaviour? I mean, if one is having fun skating without doing ollies - why bother stressing out over them? =)

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:27 pm
by Mr J
Corey wrote:..
https://eurapa.biomedcentral.com/articl ... 008-0030-9

I think what the research probably doesn´t mention is the fact that with age we tend to have a more laidback aproach to the cost benefit of risky behaviour? I mean, if one is having fun skating without doing ollies - why bother stressing out over them? =)


cheers Corey, I read most of it, still digesting shall respond in the next day or two.

I do have a more laid back approach to skating which reduces the stress and disappointment, but it does bring down the exhilaration factor. Still enjoying it though ..-

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:04 am
by Scissorhands
Mirror neurons are one of the most important discoveries in the last decade of neuroscience. These are a variety of visuospatial neurons which indicate fundamentally about human social interaction. Essentially, mirror neurons respond to actions that we observe in others. The interesting part is that mirror neurons fire in the same way when we actually recreate that action ourselves. Apart from imitation, they are responsible for myriad of other sophisticated human behavior and thought processes. Defects in the mirror neuron system are being linked to disorders like autism. This review is a brief introduction to the neurons that shaped our civilization.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3510904/


1min super slowmotion video of an ollie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jig3uiYsb4w

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:34 pm
by GoR64
Neal Unger just popped up on my insta feed... killing it.

If anyone wants some trick tips I'm happy to help btw, with ollies it's usually a timing issue, + dedicated practice ofc.

I also sell neural pathway glue, guaranteed to do either something or nothing, at a very reasonable price. (your soul)

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:15 am
by Mr J
GoR64 wrote:...
If anyone wants some trick tips I'm happy to help btw, with ollies it's usually a timing issue, + dedicated practice ofc.

I also sell neural pathway glue, guaranteed to do either something or nothing, at a very reasonable price. (your soul)


Apologies for my tardy response to this thread, been busy with work, going surfing, life and skating in about that order. Your offer of ollie trick tips gladly accepted ..-

I will get some vid of my attempts for you to assess. It is the darkest time of the year now, so I might wait a few weeks or so to get some more light in the mornings.

I'll see how I go with your online coaching before considering your neural pathway glue product.

Re: Neural pathways not there

PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:18 pm
by bubi
Hi y'all!
I learned to ollie.in my fourties, however I still.struggle to.ollie when rolling. Don' know why. I kind of.go.hippy jump...
Also, I feel super.heavy.
And it's that feeling of.nor being able.to master using my feet as well as my.hands.

Anyway,, I.still.got some.kids ask me.to teach them.to.ollie... that was weird.

Lots of kids are so.mugh much better than me but there's also people who suck.more.than me.
I like that, there's no.rule.ia skating, you.juat do what yoy want.

I'm learning to wallride from.a bank.now.
And starting to.wear more.pads because I don't want to.smear the car.with.blood.

Forgive my typing I can't be fkkd tonite!

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BUBI 0_0