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Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Bustabloodklaaart » Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:24 pm

Praps summat Julius Caesar might have said.....

Last time I messed about with these things guys the bearings had spacers fitted
between them. The set of Spitfires I got the other week didn't have any fitted
as a result at the Mo my lovely new Bones ATF's I got from James don't
either :oops:
I've messed around with vehicles all my life and guess what? All the wheels
always have spacers fitted. I think I've already answered my own question
guys but what do you think?

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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Hagwag » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:36 pm

Definitely always use them

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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Brian S » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:40 pm

Spacers yes, but make sure right size!! :lol:
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Bullet » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:43 pm

For what I know they're like a quiet bass player... not very noticeable but better than none... I use 'em simply because, let's face it, they hardly break the bank...
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Bustabloodklaaart » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:52 pm

Thanks lads
Are there any other usual sizes other than
8+10 mm?
Or if I get a set of each should I be sorted?
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby JamesC » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:07 pm

Don't bother with the 8mm ones as it's only the kryptonics that use them. Try and get the steel ones rather than the aluminium ones as the ally ones tend to deform easily.

As wether top use them or not it's a big yes from me

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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Pearce » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:22 pm

Not used them on this set of bones reds and there still perfect .

In shocked they've held up tbh

But never used spacers tbh and no probs regardless the hype


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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Hagwag » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:51 pm

Bearings tend to get a shit lad of side play if you don't use them and get lumpy and slow quick in my experience

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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Brian S » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:10 pm

Or get some with built in spacers like the Seismic Tektons!
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby GoR64 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:53 pm

After moving to super-well-too-bloody-expensive bones that come with spacers as standard (although their wheels still don't run completely true, nice as they are) I have to rock the spacers out of principle - especially after deforming normal metal shield bearings so easily, to the point they barely rolled - seriously, one session, if that.

I don't know if there are wheels spec'd tightly enough their inner race bit doesn't knock a spacer out of whack, but having them in there can only help the issue. Other than that, yeah probably Tektons.
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Weirdo » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:19 pm

I Also use spacers they make a big difference.

Not sure on bearings with spacers as the spacers fit the wheel not the bearing.

If the wheels were poured accurate then you would not need spacers.

Wheels with solid cores are possibly better.

Also each wheel will require slightly different sized spacers.




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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby warwick » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:33 pm

Brian S wrote:Or get some with built in spacers like the Seismic Tektons!



Another vote for those from me. Especially good if you swap your wheels out often. Don't need washers or spacers


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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby TonyB » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:01 am

Always use spacers. I have them in all my wheels.
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Jimbo » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:09 am

There's also Zealous bearings as a cheaper alternative to Seismic/Biltin. I believe they are US based but shipping to UK didn't seem too expensive when I last checked.
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Bustabloodklaaart » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:05 pm

Doh
The Yo Yo's on my Fibreflex that arrived this Morning don't have them
in either.
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby vision78 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:35 pm

Never used spacers, and i dont even know why they are needed :?

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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby flash » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:44 pm

Never used em, I understand the idea behind them, but to me can and do damage inner bearings case,can't be that accurate with all factors taken on board to work as the idea suggests, but what do I know ..-
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Krammer » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:04 pm

flash wrote:Never used em, I understand the idea behind them, but to me can and do damage inner bearings case,can't be that accurate with all factors taken on board to work as the idea suggests, but what do I know ..-


Ahh, you've not tried the right kind of spacer then sir.... :)
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby flash » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:19 pm

Krammer wrote:
flash wrote:Never used em, I understand the idea behind them, but to me can and do damage inner bearings case,can't be that accurate with all factors taken on board to work as the idea suggests, but what do I know ..-


Ahh, you've not tried the right kind of spacer then sir.... :)


Hi. Ya mate, see told ya I know bugger all, well I'm always willing to learn, tell me which kind they are and ill hunt them down and give them a go
Well I got some, 10mm ,steel, put em in , and to be honest, wheels spin better, less rattle, me likes em now ..-
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Pearce » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:20 pm

Almost another bearing thread ! The joy


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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby GoR64 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:30 pm

Ha! I do hate the sound of things running not-quite-right though, so maybe Tektons will get rid of that 'space between things' noise or the weird rattles I can't hear anyway over my wheels squeaking.
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Pearce » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:59 pm

I'm purposely rebelling to be different !!! Skateboards are meant to be noisy !!!!

We grind for the noise !!!!

My new motto , screw spacers


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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Ben-G » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:30 pm

Pearce wrote:I'm purposely rebelling to be different !!! Skateboards are meant to be noisy !!!!

We grind for the noise !!!!

My new motto , screw spacers


I'm with you Pearce - maybe in downhill or the like things are a bit closer to precision engineering but on your average board the trucks/decks/wheels/bearings seem to be constructed a bit wonky style to not quite defined standard sizes, and are then bit-by-bit pumelled until destruction as all boards should be! :twisted:
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby GoR64 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:35 pm

It just worries me man, all this play in things which are designed to roll smooth. Bad enough I get wheelbite.
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Ben-G » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:40 pm

Hopokus wrote:
Pearce wrote:I'm purposely rebelling to be different !!! Skateboards are meant to be noisy !!!!

We grind for the noise !!!!

My new motto , screw spacers


I'm with you Pearce - maybe in downhill or the like things are a bit closer to precision engineering but on your average board the trucks/decks/wheels/bearings seem to be constructed a bit wonky style to not quite defined standard sizes, and are then bit-by-bit pumelled until destruction as all boards should be! :twisted:


Ps. I have used spacers and not used spacers in the past, and can't tell any flipping difference at all, so don't bother now! Maybe there is some sideways pressure on the bearings without spacers, but to be honest the Bones Reds/Mini Logo bearings I've tried are so rattly and poorly made I can't imagine they would last long anyway. As a poke in the eye for the modern world I have NMB bearings on both my boards now - they roll quick as you like, are cheap as chips, and even seem lubricated which is nice! :lol:
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Alec » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:41 pm

Truck axles are traditionally 5/16" which equals 7.9375mm, 608 bearings have an inner diameter of 8mm (the 8 in 608) meaning that there is a clearance of 1/16" (0.625") if both axle and bearing are spot on. (which in all reality they won't be)

Having a correctly sized spacer (width wise) will allow you to snug down the locknut to get rid of bearing slop, all dependent on the use of speed washers though so you have, truck hanger/speed washer/bearing/spacer/bearing/speed washer/nut

then again it's only a skateboard...
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Pearce » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:43 pm

GoR64 wrote:It just worries me man, all this play in things which are designed to roll smooth. Bad enough I get wheelbite.



Wheel bite ;)

This time last year when I started back I tightened my trucks so tight the rubbers exploded . Now there. So loose I get wheel bite always ( but it never biters me to disaster )
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Pearce » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:45 pm

Stupid iPhone and auto correct spelling ! Please accept my shot spelling therefore lol


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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby flash » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:09 pm

That's sorted it, bugger it, never had none, and don't want none now, pwha, :D
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby HarryR » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:06 am

Here endeth the spacer thread. Phew, that was close. ;-)
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby GoR64 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:25 am

The End..?

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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Fibes » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:43 am

To space or not to space.... That is the Question?

Unless your using Kryps (8mm) then stainless steel 10mm every time!

If your compressing the bearing without them then you will allow the centre race to 'wonder/drift' on the axle ,this causes the ball's to cut the faces of the internal and external race prematurely wearing out the unit.
The lack of spacers also means in order for the wheel to run free you won't be able to compress the wheel and it will sound like a Granny's hip joint before replacement.

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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Brian S » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:56 pm

So how come even with spacers fitted you often get one crappy turner in a set of wheels cranked down, whilst the others are whizzy as fook, lack of quality control in the wheels bearing seats?
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Alec » Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:05 pm

Yes, I would imagine that the wheels and/or cores are produced from a multi cavity mould.
Variation in sizes and/or wear on the tooling will produce slight differences in the dimensions as will temperature of the material, tooling and ambient temperature.

Maybe not a lack of quality control, I'm guessing that they are inspected to ensure that they are within tolerance.
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby misterbleepy » Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:05 pm

could be - I know that there are suppliers in the US who sell spacers in various different sizes to compensate for mis-sized wheel bearing seats
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby dubious » Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:07 pm

I've never run spacers... i was helping my buddy settup his deck and i gave him some xtra bearing i had lying around. He runs spacers "lets you run the wheels with no slack" ... yes indeed it does but man that deck WAS SLOW.. back them off for some play and it was NICE - but he was like "this deck is way too fast!!"

i like a bit of side to side play in my wheels, and lately i'm running bearings with no shields either! Never run speed washers either!
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby wayne-ur » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:59 pm

What's the best premix ratio for my 81 Yam?
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Alec » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:57 pm

32:1?
andre wrote: the 8 is a different beast altogether. you won't be thinking about truck geometry when you're just trying not to get killed. :mrgreen:
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby wayne-ur » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:22 pm

Alec wrote:32:1?

Smartarse :mrgreen:

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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby Fibes » Wed Jan 08, 2014 11:22 pm

People always crank the wheels on and they run tight as soon as you do this it's already done the damage to a new bearing, a little mechanical sympathy goes a long way. Just nip the nut up a little at a time until there is no play, hold the wheel and use a light grip with you finger tips and nip up the nut till the wheel is snug. If your using used bearings they prob dead anyway.
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Re: Is this a spacer I see before me?

Postby hankmarvinsguts » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:41 pm

Just put in spacers havent used them in a while, rest assured i will report back when ive been out for a skate.
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